Not Last Night, but the Night Before

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Johnson's wife was nicknamed Lady Bird Johnson , or was that just a nickname LBJ gave her to make her initials the same as his? Some people consider seeing them or having them land on one's body to be a sign of good luck to come, and that killing them presages bad luck. A few species are pests in North America and Europe" The ladybird is immortalised in the still-popular children's nursery rhyme Ladybird, Ladybird: " Ladybird, ladybird, fly away home Your house is on fire and your children are gone All except one, and that's Little Anne For she has crept under the warming pan.

The name that the insect bears in the various languages of Europe is mythic. In this, as in other cases, the Virgin Mary has supplanted Freyja, the fertility goddess of Norse mythology; so that Freyjuhaena and Frouehenge have been changed into Marienvoglein, which corresponds with Our Lady's Bird. The esteem with which these insects are regarded has roots in ancient beliefs" That's how my Geordie grandad used to tell it. His other favourite was.

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One two three Mother caught a flea Put it in the teapot to make a cup of tea Flea jumped out mother gave a shout. Here comes name of child with his shirt hanging out. I agree that in the broadest view everything is related to everything else. I found a reference to the "tape" that I probably remember. Nor do I have the tape or the record,But I'm singing that catchy, moderately uptempo song as I type this. Who all is here?

Twenty four robbers at my door. Hit'em in the head with a rollin' pin. The more rhymes that were strung together, the longer the children playing had a chance to run and hide. The Georgia Sea Isle children's rhyme "All Hid" included on page of the book Step It Down by Bessie Jones and Bess Lomax Hawes is an excellent example of the way that the person designated as it combined a number of children's rhymes together for recitation before chasing those children who were hiding.

There are no "set" verses to this rhyme. Any rhyme that the person designated as "It" remembered or made up on the spot could be used, including the rhyme "Not Last Night But The Night Before". Here's an online link to pages of that book: Step It Down-Google Book Unfortunately, my copy of that book is still hiding, so I can't post the words to that rhyme as given in the Step It Down book. That's just as well, since those words would have changed each time they were recited. Here's a hyperlink to that book review. Thank you, pavane and Abdul The Bul Bul. It's rhythmic like a song.

Um, do you mind if I ask what's a Bul Bul? I take it that if it means anything at all, "Bul Bul", it's something good. And now that I mention it, I don't know what a "pavane" is either. But, I'm sure it's something good, too.

Mo the caller 8 10 post; yes I remember all those. Abdul - the flea verse, definitely Our version of not last night was: Not last night but the night before, Two tom cats came knocking at the door, I went downstairs to let them in and they hit me on the head with a rolling pin. I got up, and let them in And then they dance the Highland Fling. Well, the night before, Three wee monkeys came to our hall-door. One had a fiddle, one had a drum, And one had a pancake stuck to his bum! Similar to a few other British versions. Bonfire Night, the stars are bright Three little angels dressed in white One had whisky, one had rum, And one had a pancake stuck to his bum!

It might have been fairies, not angels, and I'm not sure why a pancake would be available in November, but these rhymes don't have to make sense. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest so the objects and places and food would be different. It still hasn't popped forward into retrievable memory yet, but that one from Joi strikes more of a chord with me. As I ran out, they ran in, Hit them over the head with the frying pan 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, However, I'm not sure that's the case for this rhyme.

Reciting numbers usually indicate how many jumps the person in the middle makes before missing. Subject: RE: Not Last Night ButThe Night Before-rhyme From: Azizi Date: 08 Oct 08 - AM In contrast, here's an example of a rhyme that includes the line "last not but the night before": Down down baby, down by the rollercoaster Sweet sweet baby, I'll never let you go Shimmy shimmy cocoa pop, shimmy shimmy rock Shimmy shimmy cocoa pop, shimmy shimmy rock I like coffee, I like tea, I like a boy and he likes me So step off boy but don't be shy cuz I bet you five dollars you're gunna cry Last night or the night before, I met my boyfriend at the candy store He bought me ice-cream, he bought me cake He sent me home with a stomach ache Mama mama, I feel sick Call the docter, quick quick quick!

Docter, docter, am I gunna die? I like coffee, I like tea. I like a black boy and he likes me. So step back, white boy, you don't shine. I'll get the black boy to beat your behind. Last night and the night before. I met my boyfriend at the candy store. He bought me ice cream he bought me cake.

He brought me home with a belly ache. Mama, mama, I feel sick Call the doctor, quick, quick, quick Doctor, doctor, will I die? Close your eyes and count to five I'm Alive! See that house up on the hill. That's where me and my baby live. Eat a piece of meat Eat a piece of bread. Come on baby. This is a marked change from the "standard" versions of this children's rhyme.

Based on the number of examples that have been sent to my website on children's rhymes in the last five years, and also based on the examples that I have read elsewhere on the Internet, these versions of "I Love Coffee I Love Tea" are rather widely known throughout the USA. It should be noted that to date, I haven't heard or read any example of this rhyme that contains the pattern of a White girl saying "step back Black boy". However, I that conclusion may not always be valid.

Were that the case, it seems to me that some examples of that rhyme would have been included or referenced in books of American children's rhymes that were published during those decades or since. That doesn't appear to be the case.

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For more commentary and examples of this rhymes, visit here. They might even be from the s on. As one small sample, my daughter doesn't remember her or her friends using any racial referents in this version of "I Love Coffee I Love Tea" that they did handclaps to in the mid to late s. Also, it should be noted that "standard" versions of "I Love Coffee I Love Tea" are usually categorized in books and on the Internet as jump rope rhymes. As a matter of fact, the pattern for the performance activity of many children's rhymes is from jump rope rhyme to handclap rhyme and not vice versa.

What I mean by it is an example or situation which adds the issue of race when that issue may not have previously been there before. Another term for independent rhymes are "stand alone verses". I believe that most Mudcatters know more than me what an independent verse or rhyme is. The first independent verse begins with "eeney meeney dessemenney" and ends with "i love you. This verse serves as an introduction to what probably is a handclap rhyme.

In my observations, the handclap actions for the introduction are usually different than the handclap actions for the rest of the rhyme. For instance, two girls may face each other and while reciting the introduction, they hold each other hands, and swing them from right to left in time with the rhyme. The second independent rhyme begins with "take a peach and ends with "no stick of bubble gum. The third independent rhyme begins with "i like coffee i like tea" and ends with the word "behind. The fourth independent rhyme begins with "last night and the night before" and ends with the line "looked through your peephole and what guess what I saw.

The words "guess what I saw" acts as a seque into the last independent verse. The fifth independent verse starts with "you didn't wash the dishes lazy lazy" and ends with "you jumped out the window you must be crazy" 6. The rhyme finishes with the ending phrase "thats why we call you ochy cochy liberachy i love you'.

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This ending echoes the introductory verse. However, also for what it's worth, I haven't found many examples of rhymes that end by echoing the introductory lines as this one does. I got up Let 'em in Hit 'em in the head With a rolling pin. All hid! Response All hid! Call All hid! All 5, 10, 15, 20, all hid, hid Call 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, all hid.

All 5, 10, 15, 20, all hid, hid Call 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, all hid. Little boy blue, come blow your horn, sheep in the meadow, cows in the corn. Tom, Tom the piper's son, stole a pig and away je run. Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater, had a wife but couldn't keep her. Juba this and Juba that, Juba stole a yellow cat. I spy in pocketful of rye, how many blackbirds in my pie?

The first line escapes me but the rest is Halloween, Three wee witches on the green, One with a fiddle, One with a drum, and one with a pancake tied to her bum. I'm glad that you think of these Mudcat threads as conversations. I think of them that way too. Sometimes people have "refreshed" archived threads and added comments to them after five years or more. That's the beauty of Mudcat's archived thread system. And for that, I-and others I'm sure- give thanks to Max, Joe Offer, and who ever else is responsible for conceptualizing, developing, and managing this discussion forum.

Best wishes and Happy Halloween! Thanks for sharing it! Subject: RE: Not Last Night ButThe Night Before-rhyme From: GUEST,daystar Date: 31 Oct 08 - AM This one learnt from my mother who came from the north east of England Not last night but the night before Three tom cats cane knocking at my door One had a poker the other had a drum the other had a pancake tied to his bum Went down staires to let them in they knocked me down with a rolling pin Rolling pin was made of cotten knocked me down and spanked my bottem Sounds abit silly now but as children we use to laugh as it was considered rude then I dont think I have ever put it in the written word before so it might not scan well.

Thanks for sharing it and also for including the geographical location, daystar! Mum and Dad were born in York and moved as above. The rolling pin bit in daystars msg rings a bell too.

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Incidentally, I caught the 17 yr old out with it again last week. You know last night?

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Happy Holidays! Not for more delicate readers. You know last night, the night before, Two tom cats came knocking at the door. I went downstairs to let them in, They hit me on the head with a rolling pin. I went upstairs to get into bed, They threw the pisspot at my head. I went downstairs to dry my shimmy, Fell in the fire and burnt my jimmy. I didn't know that "shimmy" was another word for "butt". And children in some cultures might not know what you meant by "jimmy". They might think you meant that you burnt a boy named Jimmy Well, maybe not I had forgotten that.

Thanks, Snuffy. I've read that in the olden days males as well as females wore nightgowns. I guess but did they call them "chemises"? How can a person wearing a chemise have a jimmy? What substitutions would you consider appropriate? I mentioned it because no-one else had. Not last night but the night before 24 Spaniards gypsies? But those kind of research projects can't happen if people don't collect these types of rhymes.

Also, sorry.

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I forgot to say thanks to Weasel. Thanks also, mg, for sharing that example and including demographical information. Or are you saying that the rhyme said "Gypsy dancers" instead of saying "Spanish dancers"? No last nicht but the nicht afore three black cats cam' roarin' at the door Ane got whiskey, ane got rum, An' ane gat the dish-clout o'er his bum.

In case someone else besides me needed this information, because the word "clout" was unfamiliar to me, I looked its meaning up online. Apparently it means clout "a blow, especially with the fist". And "bum" as used here means "butt". Nowadays more commonly 'tea-towel' or 'dish-rag'; 'clout' in that sense is a bit old fashioned and used chiefly in Scotland and the north of England.

Before I posted that, I was wondering if 'clout' could mean 'dish cloth'. So does "An' ane gat the dish-clout o'er his bum" mean "And got a dish cloth on his bum"? Does this mean that the person was swiped with a dish cloth for being impertinent or for some other reason? I went to elementary school starting in , in Bloomfield, Connecticut adjacent to Hartford. The girls including my sister did clapping games on the bus everyday it seemed, and when they hung out in the street, etc. Demographic note: my family is White; Blacks including many Jamaicans are a majority in the town, and were most of our playmates.

Sometimes there'd be confusion if a White and a Black girl were playing together, and they'd sort of get jumbled up on that word and try to push their version. Sometimes they would agree on a skin tone based on a previous conversion about who the girl whose "turn" it was actually "likes.

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I'd try to reason what skin tone "shined" more! Needless to say, I never figured it out! Thanks for sharing your remembrances of girls chanting this handclap rhyme, including adding demographical information. This example is the first one that I have found that mentions the problems that can occur when this rhyme is clapped by two or more girls of different races.

And in a lot of ways, I think that dilemma is progress toward lessening the confrontation between races that is reflected in this rhyme. Here's my take on that "you don't shine" phrase: In this context, "shine" means to be as radiant as the sun or stars. Perhaps that use of "shine" comes from the outer or inner glow that people are said to have because of their auras or their spirit.

And a charismatic person would be described as shining brightly. A somewhat related use of "shine" is when a person says "I took a "shine" to him meaning "I liked him". Azizi Powell. That sounds to me like a Girl's Skipping rope chant. It would be an understatement to say that in that particular town in which I grew up till age 8 there was some sort of atypical? For one, it was a majority African-American suburb in the Northeast.

Second, it had recently been awarded the title of an "All American City," which I believe is usually given out based on perception of diversity. We even had a town song, which we sang in school, that bragged about being an "All American City. When recently I mentioned, to my parents, my memory of my fondness for the song "Ebony and Ivory," which I'd sing to myself for hours while swinging on swings, they laughed and said "It figured! Hopefully sometime soon I'll get a chance to ask my sis years my senior about some of the rhymes she remembers. Subject: RE: Not Last Night But The Night Before-rhyme From: GUEST,alfred Date: 10 Mar 09 - PM the one i heard was:not last night but the night before,24 n-words knocked on my door,ran upstairs to get my gun,tripped on the toilet on the run,couldn't swim couldn't float,goddamn log went down my throat,ran downstairs to get a drink,smashed my balls on the kitchen sink..

Too bad you forgot to include geographical information and year or decade you learned it. I went down to let them in, and they knocked me down with a rolling pin. The rolling pin was made of brass, they picked me up and smacked my ass. I went down to clean my shirt, a spark came off, and burnt my firt!

Sung by my daughters East Yorkshire They got told off because it was rude. I warn you, You'd better beware, I warn you, Those robber men are everywhere Can't remember the rest but will look it up if anyone is interested FC. As I went out to let them in They hit me on the head with a rolling pin. I asked them what they wanted And this is what they said: Spanish Dancer do a kick, split Turn around, touch the ground, Get out of town!

Spanish Dancer, come right back Sit on a tack Read a book, but do not look! Keep those examples coming! It would be great if people posting children's playground rhymes on this thread and on other threads would also include as much general demographical information as they can. I went downstairs to let 'em in, And they hit me on the head with a rollin' pin. I was born in So, I must have heard it in the early '50's.

That "step back baby step back line at the end adds an interesting rhythmic piece to that rhyme. I'm guessing that's a relatively new addition. Your version is the first time I've read or heard any food being the ones who came to the door. That's interesting. Here's a link to another thread. I'm sorry that this particular discussion doesn't have any such list.


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I hope guests will continue to visit here or join-since membership is free click on the icon up the top near the right end of this page, and follow those instructions. Thanks again! Those lines sound as if they are stolen from the souling rhyme N. Which used to be recited door to door on All Souls Night, before American pumpkins took over. Soul, a soul, a soulcake Please good missus a soul cake One for Peter, one for Paul Though thinking about it there was also a rhyme I learnt as a child in London c, which at the time I never associated with the apostles 2 little dickie birds sitting on a wall 1 named Peter 1 named Paul Fly away Peter, fly away Paul.

Come back Peter, come back Paul. It was a finger-play. Started with 2 fists with a finger up. When the birds fly away the fingers go behind the back, then come back again. And one for him who made us all. I'll repost it and maybe a moderator will delete the other. The example posted on Aug 5th ending 1 called Peter, 1 called Paul but the third little pussy didn't have a name at all" is another example of the folk-magpie-process.

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